# NEW YORK | 484 Eighth Ave | 441 Ft | 38 FLOORS **URL:** \ **Category:** Proposed\ **Created:** [May 24, 2016, 12:37am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739 "2016-05-24T00:37:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 1:26pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739/22 "2026-03-26T13:26:51Z")
Will the McDonald’s reopen in the new development, such as what happened at Columbia University’s 125th/Broadway high-rise to the dismay of some? > [@NEW YORK | 600 West 125th Street | 403 FT | 36 FLOORS](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-600-west-125th-street-403-ft-36-floors/16210/84): > > Crime magnet. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2026, 12:46pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739/23 "2026-08-17T12:46:50Z")
Another crime scene at the McDonald’s. > **[Australian teen stabbed inside Midtown McDonald's in apparent unprovoked...](https://abc7ny.com/post/australian-teen-stabbed-inside-midtown-mcdonalds-apparent-unprovoked-attack-police-say/19691598/)** > > The victim was stabbed in the back just after 2 a.m. on Monday inside the restaurant on 8th Avenue at 35th Street. When will this crime magnet be shut down for good? ---
**Author:** ![Dior](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/dior/32/164097_2.png) [@Dior](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Dior)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2026, 3:38pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739/24 "2026-08-17T15:38:11Z")
this is why i dont eat at mcdonalds ---
**Author:** ![NeverForgiveAction](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/neverforgiveaction/32/181835_2.png) [@NeverForgiveAction](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/NeverForgiveAction)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2026, 4:03pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739/25 "2026-08-17T16:03:41Z")
Oh, a little stabbing now and then never hurt anybody. ---
**Author:** ![b264](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/b264/32/177793_2.png) [@b264](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/b264)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2026, 4:10pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739/26 "2026-08-17T16:10:41Z")
> [@Waymond\_Womano](#): > > When will this crime magnet be shut down for good? The solution is not to shut down the business, it’s to arrest and imprison those people who choose to break the law. Anything else is treating the symptoms and not the root cause. The criminals will just go somewhere else and break the law, are you going to shut that down too? The criminals are the entire problem, not the business. ---
**Author:** ![streetscaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@streetscaper](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/streetscaper)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2026, 10:42pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739/27 "2026-08-17T22:42:20Z")
Yup, I remember when all of those cracked-out zombies used to hang out just a block away, at 34th and 8th Ave. Now they’ve set up right outside that McDonald’s and right around the corner on 35th too. I’ve witnessed them and their movements every day for the past 8 years Shutting down a business will just make them move yet again to a nearby location. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2026, 11:12pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739/28 "2026-08-17T23:12:02Z")
> [@b264](#): > > Anything else is treating the symptoms and not the root cause. You could argue that arresting people could also be ‘treating the symptoms, and not the root cause.’ Yes, criminals absolutely _should_ be arrested, but once they complete their sentence, then what? Mass incarceration isn’t a panacea for criminality. They’ll be back to doing the same thing if the problems that _lead_ to criminality are not addressed. The only way to fix the root cause of problems is to bring back extensive psychiatric treatment for those with emotional or behavioral problems, and address community conditions such as poverty, unemployment, etc. Of course, it won’t be a solution for _everyone_, but it can address a lot of problems and reduce the incidence of violent crime. With that latest stabbing, the shocker is that the perpetrator wasn’t even _from_ the city. Florida should keep its trash to itself. > The victim, who was staying at a nearby hotel, was apparently eating when he got into a dispute **with 25-year-old Juan Mercedes of Florida**. ---
**Author:** ![b264](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/b264/32/177793_2.png) [@b264](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/b264)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2026, 1:35am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739/29 "2026-08-18T01:35:05Z")
If you lock them up, they’re not committing crimes. It’s their choice to break the law. There is no need to feel sorry for them, as they chose this. And yes, bringing back the insane asylums would help a lot, but we collectively decided we wanted to get rid of them. Part of the consequence of that is locking many of those folks in prison. Perhaps we should revisit that folly and bring them back. Until then, prison. ---
**Author:** ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2026, 5:59pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739/30 "2026-08-18T17:59:05Z")
[https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-estate/commercial/cny-vornado-penn-station-tower-subway-20260818/](https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-estate/commercial/cny-vornado-penn-station-tower-subway-20260818/) ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2026, 3:15am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739/31 "2026-08-20T03:15:57Z")
I am glad they will move the subway entrance to the side of the new building. This will open up more space on the sidewalk. In other news: > **[Man arrested for stabbing Australian tourist inside Midtown McDonald’s was...](https://www.amny.com/new-york/manhattan/nyc-neighborhoods/midtown-manhattan/man-arrested-stabbing-australian-midtown/)** > > The man arrested for stabbing an Australian tourist inside a Midtown McDonald’s was holding the knife when police arrived, per court documents. ---
**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2026, 11:27am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739/32 "2026-08-20T11:27:29Z")
Why are we posting about people being killed. This site is about buildings ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2026, 12:22pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739/33 "2026-08-20T12:22:22Z")
No one was killed, thankfully. ---
**Author:** ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2026, 5:07pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739/34 "2026-08-22T17:07:05Z")
> **[Vornado Seeks Zoning Exceptions for New Penn Station Entrance](https://www.ourtownny.com/news/vornado-seeks-zoning-exceptions-for-new-penn-station-entrance-HD6126449)** > > Vornado Realty Trust is moving to incorporate a 34th Street–Penn Station entryway into its planned mixed-use development at 484 8th Ave. Department of City Plan... ![176511054.m2cJtczy.d1](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/a/f/afe2e62d218bbfb88631e96e71f4d460a4bf38a5.jpeg) ![176511056.1fm304Zb.d3](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/6/76b1a7fde006f8ab406c189982a34f949fc26ece.jpeg) [NYguy](https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10641160&postcount=39) [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-484-eighth-ave-441-ft-38-floors/2739.md?page=1)