# NEW YORK | 36 West 38th Street | 205 FT | 20 FLOORS **URL:** \ **Category:** Under Construction\ **Created:** [June 6, 2019, 1:56am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942 "2019-06-06T01:56:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 1:56am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/1 "2019-06-06T01:56:54Z")
> **[New Renderings Reveal Another Gene Kaufman-Designed Hotel in Midtown West -...](https://newyorkyimby.com/2019/05/new-renderings-reveal-another-gene-kaufman-designed-hotel-in-midtown-west.html)** > > The latest project by Gene Kaufman’s design studio is under construction at 36 West 38th Street in Midtown, Manhattan, and will debut as Jade Hotel. earlier today - a different render than the one on YIMBY is on site: ![IMG-0053](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/9/89fe7fc10ceae8714853a0738ed80984ad43c5bf.jpeg) ![IMG-0054](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/c/a/cab200bf4d1ff6167e6d083dc7adb1e4f70a2318.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![chused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@chused](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chused)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/2 "2019-06-07T16:36:23Z")
Another bad Kaufman building. Boy has he damaged the cityscape irreparably. ---
**Author:** ![ophizer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e36b37/32.png) [@ophizer](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ophizer)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/3 "2019-06-07T17:11:53Z")
why is it legal to offset buildings like that?? f#ck it would almost be forgettable ---
**Author:** ![Oppix56](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/oppix56/32/26099_2.png) [@Oppix56](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Oppix56)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/4 "2019-06-07T18:42:05Z")
gene kaufmans “architecture” is the only reason I wouldn’t mind all of NYC being governed by the LPC (although nothing over 3 stories tall would be built) ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Heights](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/jc_heights/32/90668_2.png) [@JC\_Heights](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/JC_Heights)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/5 "2019-09-13T17:19:19Z")
No progress or work since June it seems. ![IMG_20190911_110939](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/b/d/bd136e59335a27930216b1b7d5b4c01ba4594520.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Heights](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/jc_heights/32/90668_2.png) [@JC\_Heights](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/JC_Heights)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:59pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/6 "2021-01-09T22:59:19Z")
This looks like it may be starting again. 1.9.21 ![PXL_20210109_201109504](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/2/7/270338a25967961732030878007184fbaf4d2a1c.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/7 "2021-01-10T17:05:27Z")
It’s a never ending parade of abortions. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2023, 3:54am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/8 "2023-04-06T03:54:07Z")
Earlier today They had some workers onsite; maybe they’ve restarted construction. ![IMG_3301](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/4/d4c3c0e55683c26dd92da24e366d0be5e8af4822.jpeg) ![IMG_3303](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/9/b/9beabf07bc12e0fa53150f0abd5d38e6d8c5584d.jpeg) ![IMG_3304](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/0/8031b114c3f80b7d6d80c24f3e158106804d9870.jpeg) ![IMG_3306](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/2/c/2c9a7edac61dca3dd3e0d783073d637426c83e4a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2023, 1:41pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/9 "2023-04-06T13:41:38Z")
Ugh another one. ---
**Author:** ![mtoltethys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mtoltethys/32/30087_2.png) [@mtoltethys](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mtoltethys)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2023, 3:28pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/10 "2023-04-06T15:28:12Z")
Kaufman strikes again ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/11 "2023-04-06T17:57:30Z")
Kaufman leaves his mark once again. ---
**Author:** ![infoshare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/infoshare/32/18825_2.png) [@infoshare](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/infoshare)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2023, 8:19pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/12 "2023-04-06T20:19:55Z")
Here is my understanding of how Kaufman’s building are designed. The massing (overall form/shape) of the building is entirely determined as a function of the zoning regulations & user requirements. The FAR on these buildings means you can go TALLER, if your footprint is SMALLER. When the smaller footprint is used you get the ‘setback’ from the street-wall as an added functional bonus. The setback is a bonus for the small hotel because there are people loading/unloading luggage all day from cars parked out front on the curb. If there is no set-back, the sidewalk traffic would be continually blocked; causing patron & pedestrian congestion. The flat simple facade maximizes the ‘room count’ per floor. That is my general guess on how the Kaufman boring, set-back, boxes come to be the bane of Architectural Beauty on any streetscape they appear. This gives rise to another thought: the growing capabilities of AI (artifical intelliegence) will render ‘building standard’ architectural services obsolete. It all simply becomes an algorithm that responds to zoning & functional requirements - the final form factor being entirely AI determined by a given buildings’ program requirements. That is my pontification of the day; hope someone enjoyed it… 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2023, 1:26pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/13 "2023-04-07T13:26:39Z")
You make sense. Hopefully architects will still design surface detail. ---
**Author:** ![paperx9999](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/paperx9999/32/128567_2.png) [@paperx9999](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/paperx9999)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2023, 11:41am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/14 "2023-05-14T11:41:25Z")
Every time I think he can’t get worse, he finds a way to outdo himself. You’ve got to admire the creativity. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/15 "2023-07-05T23:13:42Z")
Earlier today ![IMG_3801](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/6/764f15fbc79e2cfb5c0c1aa8a6a68ae566a5ed17.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2023, 1:35pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/16 "2023-07-06T13:35:17Z")
Another one. 🙁 ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2023, 11:09pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/17 "2023-07-12T23:09:49Z")
Earlier today ![IMG_3835](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/9/8/98ad032ef41272b7f1a7497e1b6a33195cc23391.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 9:13pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/18 "2023-07-20T21:13:45Z")
Earlier today ![IMG_3868](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/b/f/bf552491b7145cbabf9ab284a3ba6496e3b8019f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 11:37pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/19 "2023-08-02T23:37:12Z")
August 2, 2023 ![IMG_3909](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/8/889f3975dabed2a6f4111c255a1a90a95c8d9984.jpeg) August 15, 2023 ![IMG_3993](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/3/8/38598bd8138d2568a6a0e620f2885c89ca815756.jpeg) ![IMG_3994](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/8/78195fd35f9efc6242e4197279d9eaaa1470acfb.jpeg) August 29, 2023 ![IMG_4049](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/a/f/af742cb9fca58b2c55d20c710bc2592fb699899b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 11:10pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942/20 "2023-09-13T23:10:15Z")
Earlier today ![IMG_4134](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/0/6/0637a3a2ed1bba8d8b8b421bd74efb4c82b349fb.jpeg) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-36-west-38th-street-205-ft-20-floors/4942.md?page=2)