# NEW YORK | 343 Madison Ave | ~844 FT | 49 FLOORS
**URL:** https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206
**Category:** Under Construction
**Created:** [June 14, 2014, 12:28am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206 "2014-06-14T00:28:09Z")
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### Author:  [@MrVenaCava](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/MrVenaCava)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2014, 12:28am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/1 "2014-06-14T00:28:09Z")
Continuing the discussion from [NEW YORK | Midtown East - Vanderbilt Avenue Rezoning](http://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-east-vanderbilt-avenue-rezoning/205):
## **[De Blasio resets the clock on massive rezoning](http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20140530/REAL_ESTATE/140539993/de-blasio-resets-the-clock-on-massive-rezoning)**
**The rezoning of a huge swath of midtown won’t begin in earnest until 2015, Mayor Bill de Blasio announced Friday. But at least one major developer will get a head start.**
BY ANDREW J. HAWKINS
MAY 30, 2014 11:53 A.M.
> Mayor Bill de Blasio announced a new timeline for the rezoning of a large swath of east midtown in Manhattan Friday, one that could stretch into 2016 but will allow for one major skyscraper project to get started in the meantime.
> Under a special permit to be issued by the city and subject to public review, SL Green will build a 1.6 million-square-foot office building adjacent to Grand Central Terminal on Vanderbilt Avenue between East 42nd and East 43rd streets.
> The public review process for the surrounding five blocks along Vanderbilt Avenue will begin this fall.
> **Mr. Weisbrod confirmed two other development sites as part of the initial Vanderbilt corridor rezoning: a property on Madison Avenue owned by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority** , and the Roosevelt Hotel on East 45th Street.
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### Author:  [@MrVenaCava](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/MrVenaCava)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2014, 4:48am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/2 "2014-10-03T04:48:40Z")
## [MTA reopens bidding for Midtown headquarters site](http://nypost.com/2014/10/02/mta-reopens-bidding-for-midtown-headquarters-site/)
By Lois Weiss | October 2, 2014 | 5:14pm
[http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/mtaheadquarterscalisi.jpg](http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/mtaheadquarterscalisi.jpg)
_Photo: Joseph M. Calisi_
> As the city’s plans gel for Vanderbilt Ave. rezoning, the MTA has quietly reopened the bidding for the long-term lease on its headquarters block at 341-347 Madison Ave.
> **The site between E. 44th and 45th streets is being vacated and the winning bidder is expected to tear it down and put up a new skyscraper.**
> Developers have until Oct. 14 to amend their bids or submit new proposals, according to the Sept. 17 notice. The MTA sent out its original request for proposals in June 2013 and later extended its deadline to October 2013 while reopening it to new bidders. But once de Blasio was elected the major Midtown East rezoning was scrapped and since then, the MTA deal has been in a holding pattern.
> Cushman & Wakefield is overseeing the bidding on behalf of the MTA. Reps for both declined to comment.
> **The agency is asking that new bids for the building be based on a floor area ratio (FAR) of between 24 and 30, or as much as 753,150 square feet. Right now zoning laws would allow 376,575 square feet.**
> There are also requirements to “support public circulation” in the area either on or off site, and the developer would have to meet “findings” with regard to the ground floor level, the massing and energy performance of the new building.
> Additionally, landmark properties are expected to be able to transfer more air rights to the new structure, and any hotel within the new Vanderbilt Corridor would also need a special permit.
> Steven Spinola, president of the Real Estate Board of New York, said the Vanderbilt zoning proposal should be certified by City Planning by the end of October. “Up until recently there was uncertainty as to what the city was doing. Hopefully, this will encourage people to take another look at this site.”
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### Author:  [@Vertical\_Gotham](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Vertical_Gotham)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2016, 4:30am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/3 "2016-02-26T04:30:45Z")
MTA property deal is delayed
> **[MTA property deal is delayed](https://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20160225/BLOGS03/160229928/the-red-wrap-mta-property-deal-is-delayed-as-city-official-questions-plan-to-have-boston-properties-redevelop-its-)**
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> A city official is questioning the Metropolitan Transportation Authority's plan to have Boston Properties redevelop its Madison Avenue headquarters
The Metropolitan Transportation Authority has delayed a vote on a plan to redevelop its headquarters on Madison Avenue. A top city official is questioning whether Boston Properties, the developer of the project, should be allowed to avoid paying hundreds of millions in city taxes, according to The Wall Street Journal.
Under the deal, Boston Properties, which plans to erect a new skyscraper in place of the existing building in midtown Manhattan, would pay a so-called payment in lieu of taxes (also known as PILOTS) to the MTA, which will still own the building and lease it to the developer. The MTA is exempt from paying city property taxes.
City Transportation Commissioner Polly Trottenberg said the PILOTS plan needs to clarified before it can be voted on.
> **[City Official Questions MTA Property Deal](https://www.wsj.com/articles/city-official-questions-mta-property-deal-1456360204)**
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> A deal to redevelop the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s former headquarters was put on hold after a top New York City official questioned whether a private developer should be able to avoid paying potentially hundreds of millions in city...
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### Author:  [@robertwalpole](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/robertwalpole)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2016, 4:46am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/4 "2016-02-26T04:46:22Z")
I’m pleased for delays. I like the MTA buildings. Also, I’d prefer to see tenants fill 2 WTC, 50 HY, Girasole, and 335 Madison first.
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### Author:  [@Vertical\_Gotham](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Vertical_Gotham)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/5 "2016-06-07T15:08:15Z")
> **[State Law on MTA Zoning Exemption Irks Local Governments](https://www.wsj.com/articles/state-law-on-mta-zoning-exemption-irks-local-governments-1465293601)**
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> New York City and other local governments across the region are up in arms over a provision tucked into the state budget that appears to exempt the Metropolitan Transportation Authority from local laws and zoning rules for any property it redevelops.
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> In its memo, the city cited concern over the planned demolition and redevelopment of the former **MTA headquarters at 347 Madison Ave**. near Grand Central Terminal.
> **Rather than sell the property, the MTA has decided to give a developer, Boston Properties, a 99-year lease.**
> Under current plans, the developer would be required to submit plans to the city planning commission and City Council to qualify for a zoning bonus that **would allow it build higher than otherwise permitted near Grand Central Terminal.**
> The MTA says no changes to these procedures are planned. But city officials worry the new law could weaken its position in future negotiations with the authority. In the past both sides have worked together on projects, city officials said
> “It has always been based on mutual cooperation,” Mr. Weisbrod said. “It has never been the case that the MTA has the right to unilaterally do what it wants.”
> The city and the MTA are in negotiations over how to share revenue from payments in lieu of taxes from the new Madison Avenue building.
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### Author:  [@robertwalpole](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/robertwalpole)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/6 "2016-06-07T15:28:47Z")
Since the Yale Club was declared a landmark (or is about to be), this is a small footprint; thus, the tower should be tall.
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### Author:  [@robertwalpole](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/robertwalpole)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2017, 7:08pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/7 "2017-01-11T19:08:10Z")
Lois may have been drinking last night. I believe that BP – not Brookfield – is developing. (Thus, expect something crappy.)
On the plus side, with so much new, empty space coming to NY, BP likely won’t build the inevitable lame glass box for quite some time.
> **[MTA relocating to larger building amid Midtown redevelopment](https://nypost.com/2017/01/10/mta-relocating-to-larger-building-amid-midtown-redevelopment/)**
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> The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is expanding to 152,000 square feet at the Center Building at 33-00 Northern Blvd. in Long Island City. Along with adding 17,000 square feet on part of the…
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### Author:  [@YIMHudson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/YIMHudson)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/8 "2018-02-25T18:28:11Z")
> **[Midtown East | Pfizer NYC | 270 Park Avenue](https://therealdeal.com/new-york/2018/02/23/whos-next-these-5-buildings-may-take-advantage-of-the-midtown-east-rezoning/)**
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> Based on information available and industry chatter, we broke down which addresses might see a new building thanks to the Midtown East rezoning.
> **2) MTA headquarters, 341-347 Madison Avenue**
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> This property would technically fall under the Vanderbilt Corridor rezoning, which was the precursor to the Midtown East rezoning. The MTA has been trying to find someone to redevelop the site for several years. Boston Properties came close to signing a 99-year lease in 2016, in which the real estate investment trust agreed to build an office tower that would span between 601,224 and 751,530 square feet.
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> But the deal was ensnared by a city and state dispute. City officials weren’t happy that the real estate investment trust would get to skip out on hundreds of millions of dollars in property taxes since the company would instead provide payments in lieu of taxes (PILOTS) to the MTA. The PILOT payments were estimated to be worth $1 billion over the course of the 99-year-lease. The Wall Street Journal reported in February 2016 that the deal was put on hold. **According to the MTA, the project is still in play.**
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> **“Boston Properties is preparing plans and environmental documents required to be completed prior to starting a public land use review process,” an MTA spokesperson said in a statement.** Representatives for Boston Properties didn’t return a message seeking comment.
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### Author:  [@YIMHudson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/YIMHudson)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/9 "2018-08-24T15:27:33Z")
maybe i’m being greedy, but it’s been a solid while since news of a new supertall has been broken in NYC. Hopefully this is the next one.
> **[MTA | Midtown Manhattan | 345 Madison Avenue](https://therealdeal.com/2018/08/24/the-mta-is-still-spending-millions-to-maintain-its-empty-headquarters/)**
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> The MTA is spending about $4 million a year to maintain its empty former headquarters in Midtown thanks to a dispute between the city and state.
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### Author:  [@Oppix56](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Oppix56)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2019, 1:30pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/10 "2019-10-12T13:30:53Z")
retail still vacant a year later
 
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### Author:  [@YIMHudson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/YIMHudson)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2019, 2:02am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/11 "2019-10-13T02:02:56Z")
A good sign for possible redevelopment. This is a good location for retail. If they wanted someone here, they could get them. Retail apocalypse or not
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### Author:  [@YIMHudson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/YIMHudson)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2020, 2:37pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/12 "2020-04-02T14:37:54Z")
with the MTA hemorrhaging money, the city and state have come together with a deal here to help with the funding shortfall.
[https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-estate/mta-deal-city-clears-way-skyscraper-near-grand-central](https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-estate/mta-deal-city-clears-way-skyscraper-near-grand-central)
> City and state officials have reached an agreement on the redevelopment of the former Metropolitan Transportation Authority headquarters near Grand Central Terminal, ending years of squabbling over the project.
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> The site at 341–347 Madison Ave. is projected to bring in more than $1 billion for the MTA’s capital program, the agency said in a statement.
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> Boston Properties Inc. has been “conditionally designated” to lease the site and construct an office tower that will include an entrance to a new Long Island Rail Road terminal at Grand Central, the MTA said.
> “With the MTA and our government funding partners still assessing the budgetary implications of the coronavirus pandemic, this funding is more important than ever,” MTA Chief Financial Officer Bob Foran said in a statement. “It demonstrates how the MTA is taking every step it can to shore up its funding.”
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> The MTA, which runs the largest public transportation system in the nation, needs cash. The transit system is losing an estimated $125 million a week in fare revenue and bridge and tunnel toll receipts as ridership plummets during the coronavirus outbreak.
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### Author:  [@BK1985](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/BK1985)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/13 "2020-04-02T18:56:55Z")
BP is such a boring developer. They would have been better off with SL Green
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### Author:  [@mtoltethys](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mtoltethys)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2020, 7:39pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/14 "2020-04-02T19:39:31Z")
I wonder how much Sqft they will be working with here. If they have a lot of air rights it could be very tall and skinny
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### Author:  [@DeSelby](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/DeSelby)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/15 "2020-04-02T21:19:27Z")
So how tall do you guys think this tower will be? It seems like they have a lot of square footage and a small site, which normally would mean a tall tower. Though they might conceivably cantilever over the adjacent landmarked buildings to get the big floor plates office tenants seem to want these days.
I can’t wait for the next few decades when 335 Madison and the Hotel Roosevelt get redeveloped. Maybe even 383 Madison as well. That would make a row of supertalls stretching from 1 Vanderbilt to 270 Park. Imagine that!
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### Author:  [@YIMHudson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/YIMHudson)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2020, 9:25pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/16 "2020-04-02T21:25:17Z")
I think it will be at least as tall as 383. Beyond that I’m not making predictions.
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### Author:  [@chris08876](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chris08876)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 3:26am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/17 "2020-07-25T03:26:40Z")
Super tall!!! 🍻
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### Author:  [@chris08876](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chris08876)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 3:44am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/18 "2020-07-25T03:44:13Z")
@YIMBY
Monday’s headline story!?
We need all the positive 2020 news we can get.
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### Author:  [@YIMHudson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/YIMHudson)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 3:49am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/19 "2020-07-25T03:49:27Z")
love the confidence on display. AIG reaffirming their global headquarters and now Boston Properties throwing their weight behind another NYC supertall.
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### Author:  [@YIMBY](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/YIMBY)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 4:02am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-343-madison-ave-844-ft-49-floors/206/20 "2020-07-25T04:02:15Z")
Tomorrow lol
and by tmrw I mean today 😃
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