NEW YORK | 200 Greenwich St (2WTC) | 1,348 FT | 88 FLOORS | ON HOLD

Marriott WTC was always designated as 3 WTC when it changed hands to Marriott, otherwise it was just previously known as Vista International Hotel.

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Must be my faulty memory. I was going there when it was Vista Intl. I remember us calling it #9, but I must be wrong. All references I see to it now are indeed WT3.

Was gonna say… AFAIK, even the original site didn’t have anything beyond WTC7…right? :thinking:

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What about the current WTC6 is that a museum, the performing arts center or is it planned? Can’t find anything about it.

The physical numbering for 6 doesn’t exist anymore, there is no building planned or built that has that designation. Some will sometimes refer to the Perelman as 6 but it has not been designated that nickname or address.

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From SSP

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Like a Jedi Master once said, Hello there!

Also look on the background, it shows an alternative rendering of BIG’s 2 WTC

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The back is just an art piece. The exhibition also contains some of the original 2wtc models!




Notice the non-angled podium at one version.

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Neither of those are of the old/original scheme, they are both of the random basement model Deutsche Bank iteration.

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You are wrong. The basement model, albeit having a podium not going at angle, did not have sharp corners in these splits between the tubes, podium has a different connection too

The lobby is different from the one shown in the atchain video (gray lines at the core entrances), and the exterior too.

It could be an expirement before the original design or ahead of designing the basement design, but it has many differences

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Im not “wrong” because its still clear that it was the predecessor of the basement design and not of the original design, color has no holding in design or the makeup of a model and neither does material from a render compared to a model. At no point in time did the original scheme ever have a boxed out podium, and that is factual of all the iterations it went through.

I dont understand what you’re referring to here.

The lobby model has the exact shape of the original design (which was modified in the basement design), and it doesn’t have a single difference compared to 2006, even the interior details (even if insignificant). I think recall seeing a picture of larry sitting next to it once in 7wtc.
Quite a strech to be the “akshully” guy :moyai:

As for the other one, closer to the original design than the basement design (sharp edges, split to 6 tubes), ya can assume it was for a redesign, makes sense, but that’s the only change to already model around?

Back to 2006, there are a few photos of many massing studies Foster have done, some are just general masses, goes more and more detailed as they worked their way.
Yet, there are a few models with a stepped roof, where they also highlight 2 sections of mechanical floors, so possibly the redesign was rooted in early concepts, and as well assume that they were trying it i guess



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Holy crap!! The first two images, I haven’t seen that model for nearly 15 years now! I remember when I was researching on the “stump” and stumbled across an image of the same model. There was even a rendering I remember that shows Foster’s OG 2 WTC, but with a few floors built like 3 WTC back in 2014. And the last image, did the animators of The Simpsons put that together? That’s honestly awesome, but simultaneously creepy that The Simpsons are animating everything into their universe

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Indeed! I recall seeing them too and spent some good minutes looking again. Theres also a picture of the stump with some changes to the lobby coloring, and it was roofless, maybe they have a relation.

Anyway, for those interested beyond some grumpy arguments, heres the link for the exhibition at 3wtc:

There are other interesting tower 2 artifacts (BIG model, art pieces), but it predates the model swaps.

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Yup. Here’s that BIG model



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Reposted for better quality

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can’t wait for this gap to be filled. (also peep the reflection of 40 wall on 4wtc)

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this is some Mr Burns level of hilarity

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Interesting that the large site model shows a different massing for 5WTC compared to the published renderings. I hope that the model is just outdated or simplified, as that ‘wall’ facing the Hudson kind of ruins its overall proportions.

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Found the image I was talking about…of the model. Also, do you have the full image of the massing studies of Foster’s 2 WTC from 2006?

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Neat! Where did you find it if ya recall?
Altough, it could be an earlier version, before the lobby atrium was raised by another level to ~60 feet, which was done a year after the initial design reveal (the original dark design also appears below).

As for those small models, if you look specifically for photos taken at the 7wtc design studio they set up, during designs and reveals, using some stock image websites, then you can find a few laying around.

That specific picture with all models was displayed at that 2006 design unveil for the complex.
The lobby model shown in the virtual tour has nothing that differs it from the 2007 design, but that squared podium might still be an aftertought from some point.




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