# NEW YORK | 2 Penn Plaza (Renovation) | 412 FT | 29 FLOORS **URL:** \ **Category:** Completed\ **Created:** [March 17, 2016, 12:00pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446 "2016-03-17T12:00:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Emoglez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/emoglez/32/24448_2.png) [@Emoglez](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Emoglez)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 4:12pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/41 "2018-12-14T16:12:38Z")
It’s still a placeholder… A more lucrative placeholder. Let’s not forget that the superblock in which 2 Penn Plaza stands, has over 4.2 million sq. ft. in total. 2 Penn Plaza today (1.619 million sq. ft.) is using about 38% of the total available air rights. Something really important will be built there one day. Not just yet. ---
**Author:** ![Tectonic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tectonic/32/186763_2.png) [@Tectonic](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Tectonic)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 9:00pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/42 "2018-12-14T21:00:26Z")
Blue glass overkill in that area. ---
**Author:** ![josh85](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/josh85/32/136595_2.png) [@josh85](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/josh85)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/43 "2018-12-30T20:42:59Z")
An important article earlier this year highlighted a bigger issue with this sight: MSG is halfway through their special use permit and have done **nothing** in terms of preparing a move. They haven’t bought property, filed any permits, or even made any proposals. Nor do they have “any comment” about the situation. Seeing as they’re supposed to be gone in five years, one would expect that they would be starting, or at least be close to starting, construction on a major site at this point. I remember reading a comment where their chairman said “MSG isn’t moving anywhere.” I don’t think Vornado and MSG see these as placeholders, I think they’re calling the city’s bluff. They’re going to try and stay put, and hope that a new city council, mayor, and governor cave. Meanwhile, Cuomo has been using the word “renovate” more and more often in regards to Penn Station. ---
**Author:** ![Oppix56](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/oppix56/32/26099_2.png) [@Oppix56](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Oppix56)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/44 "2019-08-03T16:50:18Z")
wouldn’t be surprised if this is 2 Penn/MSGs look for the next decade or so ![IMG_20190802_150854012](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/9/49f78fcc4d7c189f5edefaf1010c20669d1f8b55.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![City\_Streets](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/city_streets/32/17292_2.png) [@City\_Streets](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/City_Streets)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/45 "2019-11-02T18:46:46Z")
![IMG_6237](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/d/4dfffc39b3ce095da4682f4811e687a719a6d930.jpeg) ![IMG_6241](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/c/5/c5914660e85cabf7f8573ba4262af5295cf05a6b.jpeg) Updated entry (They’re adding additional) ![IMG_6243](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/0/0/00977ff80ab7b9bf716f0268fbce3eeb71cd8bc0.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![baronson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/baronson/32/190290_2.png) [@baronson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/baronson)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/46 "2019-11-02T23:15:41Z")
I’m confused, is the overhang they put up just a sample? Where is the rest? ---
**Author:** ![JRF](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/jrf/32/136878_2.png) [@JRF](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/JRF)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2019, 1:00pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/47 "2019-11-03T13:00:30Z")
thats a mock up ---
**Author:** ![JB\_Slope](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/jb_slope/32/21649_2.png) [@JB\_Slope](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/JB_Slope)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/48 "2019-11-05T23:12:23Z")
That seems awfully pointless. ---
**Author:** ![bpc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@bpc](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/bpc)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 12:40am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/49 "2019-11-06T00:40:55Z")
Vornado is an unbelievable cheapskate. They lost interest in this and are too lazy to even take it down. It took them 18 months to replace a revolving door after a big fire at 330 Madison Ave, despite having high profile, high paying tenants. These guys are the exemplification of the Penn Station mentality. Total scum ---
**Author:** ![Tectonic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tectonic/32/186763_2.png) [@Tectonic](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Tectonic)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/50 "2019-11-06T14:51:22Z")
That entire block and Hotel Penn needs to be erased. I hate this area with a passion. ---
**Author:** ![robermat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e495f1/32.png) [@robermat](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/robermat)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/51 "2019-11-06T19:59:03Z")
What’s the cheapest way for a cheap-ass billionaire to put lipstick on a pig… Throw in an American flag. ---
**Author:** ![Oppix56](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/oppix56/32/26099_2.png) [@Oppix56](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Oppix56)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 3:00pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/52 "2019-12-19T15:00:18Z")
Some renderings I hadn’t seen here: > **[New renderings of Penn Station's East End Gateway](https://www.cityrealty.com/nyc/market-insight/features/future-nyc/new-renderings-penn-station039s-east-end-gateway/38501)** > > One infrastructure project we're looking forward to seeing next year is a new entrance and canopy to the city's most vilified transit hub, Penn With 33rd street closed off at least there will be plenty of room for homeless encampments! ---
**Author:** ![ophizer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e36b37/32.png) [@ophizer](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ophizer)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/53 "2019-12-19T15:03:48Z")
well, at least that prime Manhattan spot is being reserved for a megatall, the city needs about two more decades to catch up to the idea…and any redevelopment of the area that doesn’t involve a megatall/penn rebuild would be wasted energy in my book anyway ---
**Author:** ![robermat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e495f1/32.png) [@robermat](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/robermat)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/54 "2019-12-19T16:14:44Z")
Yep. Go big or don’t even bother. ---
**Author:** ![GentriVacation](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/gentrivacation/32/8324_2.png) [@GentriVacation](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GentriVacation)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 12:58pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/55 "2019-12-21T12:58:54Z")
End of that article captures my opinion exactly… “all these magical renderings and LEDs everywhere are little more than expensive lipstick for pig-Penn Station.” ---
**Author:** ![chris08876](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/chris08876/32/1617_2.png) [@chris08876](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chris08876)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/56 "2019-12-21T14:53:57Z")
I’d rather wait than see the site be under developed (or the area for that matter). It would be a sacrilege for an underwhelming addition(s) to the area. The Penn Station District could rival Hudson Yards. ---
**Author:** ![baronson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/baronson/32/190290_2.png) [@baronson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/baronson)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/57 "2019-12-21T17:11:55Z")
Or given their proximity to each other, form a mega district. But we don’t seem to have the vision the city did 100 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![robertwalpole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/robertwalpole/32/15739_2.png) [@robertwalpole](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/robertwalpole)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/58 "2019-12-24T16:20:33Z")
I truly hope that this entity is owned by Vornado. Cleaning up that disgusting block just north of the Hotel Penn is essential to the revitalization of this area. [url][https://therealdeal.com/2019/12/23/mcdonalds-sells-midtown-retail-building-for-35m/[/url]](https://therealdeal.com/2019/12/23/mcdonalds-sells-midtown-retail-building-for-35m/%5B/url%5D) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/2X/f/f3648a7d430813361456b7dd9aba487b2e9b7e80.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![YIMHudson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/yimhudson/32/2304_2.png) [@YIMHudson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/YIMHudson)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 6:15pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/59 "2020-11-07T18:15:55Z")
1 Penn used to just be boring, now its a yikes. [https://www.instagram.com/p/CG7vC7pDfF3/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CG7vC7pDfF3/) ---
**Author:** ![bpc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@bpc](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/bpc)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446/61 "2020-11-07T21:27:31Z")
Eliminating the stripes was a terrible idea. They thought it would make it less tacky but it just makes it more of an eyesore [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-2-penn-plaza-renovation-412-ft-29-floors/2446.md?page=4)