# Discussion | Destroyed Buildings and Historical Buildings **URL:** \ **Category:** Discussion Topic\ **Created:** [January 13, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277 "2021-01-13T18:44:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/007/32/119215_2.png) [@007](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/007)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 8:27pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/82 "2023-01-16T20:27:25Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/3/0/30c6a31818f8de9c6e3713e993c72f5863ad5591.jpeg "The Original WTC in Todays Skyline") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sG9GhhkchM) ---
**Author:** ![TKDV](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tkdv/32/83069_2.png) [@TKDV](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TKDV)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 9:11pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/83 "2023-02-14T21:11:51Z")
![ym6u0oomrfo11](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/6/c/6c145f23ba1ca4cb8245094363db934ec6881fb3.jpeg) Old plan that would’ve destroyed the beautiful eastside facing Colonnade entrance and walkways into the waiting hall and replaced it with a parking lot. ---
**Author:** ![GSPLover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@GSPLover](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GSPLover)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 12:09am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/84 "2023-02-15T00:09:41Z")
It is a shame of what was lost during the 50’s and 60’s in the quest of being modern. Thank you Jackie Kennedy et al for opening peoples eyes to the destruction they were perpetrating in the name of modernization. ---
**Author:** ![AntonioL](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/antoniol/32/139225_2.png) [@AntonioL](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/AntonioL)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/85 "2023-02-15T18:05:49Z")
As bad as it was here in NYC, smaller cities had it much worse. I recently visited Upstate NY including Buffalo and Niagara Falls and was shocked (but not surprised) to see vast parking lots (acres and acres) with barely any pedestrians where once stood vibrant, walkable pre-war neighborhoods. Seeing old photos is frankly depressing. The same can be said for most cities across the Midwest. At least NYC was able to retain its intensely urban character which ironically is one of the big reason the city continues to grow and thrive. ---
**Author:** ![Docere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/docere/32/123663_2.png) [@Docere](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Docere)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 7:38pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/86 "2023-02-15T19:38:12Z")
Oy! This is so sad. It makes me meshuganah! ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 3:30pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/87 "2023-02-16T15:30:30Z")
Everybody moved out to the burbs. ---
**Author:** ![AntonioL](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/antoniol/32/139225_2.png) [@AntonioL](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/AntonioL)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 5:44pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/88 "2023-02-16T17:44:55Z")
That plus Florida or Arizona 😂 ---
**Author:** ![007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/007/32/119215_2.png) [@007](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/007)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 8:20pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/89 "2023-02-16T20:20:17Z")
A rebuild yeah… [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/a/8/a8b30848b850ce4e368a77fe31df632077423699.jpeg) ](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/a/8/a8b30848b850ce4e368a77fe31df632077423699.jpeg) > **[Rethink Penn Station NYC](https://www.rethinkpennstationnyc.org/)** ---
**Author:** ![007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/007/32/119215_2.png) [@007](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/007)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/90 "2023-03-11T14:44:08Z")
> **[50 captivating photos of 1980s Cleveland](https://www.cleveland.com/life-and-culture/erry-2018/09/8373a8ddc56069/50-captivating-photos-of-1980s.html)** > > A look back at Cleveland landmarks, buildings and streets during the decade of the 1980s. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2023, 4:20am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/91 "2023-03-16T04:20:16Z")
When was this proposed? And why? Was the thought to get rid of the Seventh Avenue facing side in order to save on maintenance costs and decrease tax assessments? Also, did the old Penn Station include a portico on 33rd Street as shown in this rendering, or was the portico part of the proposed redevelopment? ---
**Author:** ![TKDV](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tkdv/32/83069_2.png) [@TKDV](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TKDV)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2023, 11:31am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/92 "2023-03-16T11:31:52Z")
From what I remember seeing, I think it was from 1960, so only 3 years before it was demolished. I don’t know of the reason though, it honestly may have been to generate some revenue/fundraise for the (at the time) new MSG development before it actually started construction, the west side couldn’t be the one to be demo’ed since the concourse was on that side. As to the portico, there were always open colonnades on the 32nd and 33rd side of the building that I believe acted as access roads for drop offs/led to the sublevels. ![86eafe84de8ec734f3250435034c628f](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/8/88b7a6e051f3b272718ec90be4ff5e269bbbc5d8.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2023, 7:03pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/93 "2023-03-16T19:03:55Z")
Deutsche Bauzeitung ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/f/7f9aa7820e9c29272753451ce436b1d3413d21ff.jpeg) Basement. Street height ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/e/d/ed36e6cef352219571084ca381d13f87a25eae12.jpeg) Groundfloor Upper floor ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/6/3/63c22b677fd33f2ce66f2496ecc0b1df98997fa2.jpeg) 7th Ave. street front ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/5/75c5f524165cba097c877731cb62a888c73e44ad.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/9/6/960c1f8c0afbd3998eaa8525904e020e6dc047fc.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/a/dab97327ebfd5631b726e5519b19f31d08929567.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/c/7c4b7149462758e7f4874851c2d75d3e3aaaef2a.jpeg) These are cross section drawings through Penn, I don’t know if I’ve found these on the internet before. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/e/0/e0bbfa73341318fa8fb0218f1579831548e9dd69.jpeg) Collection by Miss Mackensen ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2023, 7:25pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/94 "2023-03-16T19:25:45Z")
Thanks. So it looks like the entrances to the old Penn Station driveways that sloped down were from 7th Avenue. The 1960 plan to replace the Seventh Avenue side of Penn Station with a parking lot apparently involved adding mid-block entrances to the driveways on 31st and 33rd streets. But didn’t those basically slope down right after leaving 7th Avenue? Or would the new driveways just go on the same level as 33rd Street, and they would get rid of these pedestrian bridges? ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/1/3/1338914e9a1be84f0e1ae4ad1cf2cb1759bd45ea.jpeg) source: [The Ultimate Trip Back in Time. Old Penn Station: D. Venturing Closer… | by The Secret Aspirant | Sepia & Sententiae | Medium](https://medium.com/sepia-sententiae/the-ultimate-trip-back-in-time-b1cfd85b01fd) I guess maybe we’ll never know; there seems to be very little available regarding the 1960 plan online, other than on Reddit. ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/95 "2023-03-17T15:23:53Z")
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**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/96 "2023-03-18T20:56:33Z")
A centerpiece of the old City Beautiful movement. RIP - ---
**Author:** ![F.Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/91b2a8/32.png) [@F.Wright](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/F.Wright)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 10:35am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/97 "2023-04-05T10:35:59Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/b/a/bab833e103bb5cd7c3e5409508f070c40575caa0.jpeg "Watch a talk exploring the challenges of designing buildings in historic settings") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwRUIG9GBpk) ---
**Author:** ![F.Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/91b2a8/32.png) [@F.Wright](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/F.Wright)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 2:14am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/98 "2023-04-14T02:14:51Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/1/6/163fb85047ca2a032ea1eb7ea1d1bc23e2ad3c5b.jpeg "Architect Breaks Down 3 Demolished New York Landmarks | Architectural Digest") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6dEqggG6aE) ---
**Author:** ![007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/007/32/119215_2.png) [@007](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/007)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/99 "2023-04-20T17:42:27Z")
> **[How the State of Texas Demolished a Downtown Austin Neighborhood](https://austin.towers.net/how-the-state-of-texas-demolished-a-downtown-austin-neighborhood/)** > > This morning, the Texas Facilities Commission celebrated the groundbreaking for Phase II of its Capitol Complex Project, the next step of a planning effort by the State of Texas to reshape its cons… ---
**Author:** ![007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/007/32/119215_2.png) [@007](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/007)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 12:05pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/100 "2023-04-25T12:05:44Z")
Per: > **[The Lost Majestic Theatre - Columbus Circle at 59th Street](http://daytoninmanhattan.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-lost-majestic-theatre-columbus.html?m=1)** > >   The gently curved structure conformed to the rounded shape of Columbus Circle.  from the collection of the New-York Historical Society At... In his 2015 book Blue-Collar Broadway - The Craft and Industry of American Theater, Timothy R. White notes, “As in many other Moses projects, wrecking crews got to work before local leaders understood what was happening.” ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/3/0/30c2d01acfa09220e8bad84e7a190013ad8f119e.png) ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 1:27pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277/101 "2023-04-25T13:27:20Z")
See second to last photo in this post. The old Gotham Bank building. [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/discussion-destroyed-buildings-and-historical-buildings/18277.md?page=6)